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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: ChaxChax on February 17, 2012, 01:17 am
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First of all, I want to be clear, your product seems legit. Your Valentine's day special of 50 1.5mg SR alprazolam for less than $1 each including international priority shipping was extremely generous. In fact, if you figure shipping costs, it was closer to to $.50 a tab.
The good: Seems Legit product. Unique DIN's, Expiry's, (no holograms, but decent glue on blisters).
-Took two 1.5mg SR tabs from the blister pack, and inside of 45 minutes later, felt like I was walking through a nice warm pool. I'm not a fan of SR, I prefer IR or NR pills, but 3mg 45 minutes later made the rest of my morning, and a noon time nap heavenly after a pretty intense shroom burn last night.
-15 days from order to door is respectable from India to the middle of North America. It took 4 days to clear US customs, so only 11 days without that nonsense.
The Bad:
-Packaging and labeling is a bad joke. I know specifics are taboo, but 0/none/nein/nicht/niet effort is made to disguise the contents of the envelope. It is clearly filled with loose blister packs and I have to assume the customs agent who cleared it was on your clonazepam or something and just didn't care.
The Ugly:
-Find a reputable, safe re-mailer. EMS shipping that absolutely requires a signature, is like handing some district attorney their case. You have to use your real name if you miss the truck and go pick it up because ID is required. The two week wait for genuine benzo's is worth it at your prices and all you need to do is bump up security/safety. The safety and well-being of your customers should be paramount.
Thanks-you for all your efforts to keep prices low, and quality high (ha). I won't order again from you until I can skip the signature, but once that happens, PV look out! ;)
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this has been discussed in other threads, he uses ems due to the rather hit and miss nature of the regular indian postal system, so ems is the only other option really, i can appreciate that, ive had 2 orders without a problem so im happy to order again as soon as i want some more, also it wasnt anywhere near that long to the UK, i think mine arrived in 4 days. and i too grabbed the xanax offer and they are definitely good pills and chewing them up will break the sustained release (but be aware it tastes awful and it sticks to your teeth like mad so have a drink ready!)
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Be sure to contact all your vendors on packaging folks.
It's the easiest way to get in trouble or not.
Common sense.
:)
n0omad bloodbath
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First of all, I want to be clear, your product seems legit. Your Valentine's day special of 50 1.5mg SR alprazolam for less than $1 each including international priority shipping was extremely generous. In fact, if you figure shipping costs, it was closer to to $.50 a tab.
The good: Seems Legit product. Unique DIN's, Expiry's, (no holograms, but decent glue on blisters).
-Took two 1.5mg SR tabs from the blister pack, and inside of 45 minutes later, felt like I was walking through a nice warm pool. I'm not a fan of SR, I prefer IR or NR pills, but 3mg 45 minutes later made the rest of my morning, and a noon time nap heavenly after a pretty intense shroom burn last night.
-15 days from order to door is respectable from India to the middle of North America. It took 4 days to clear US customs, so only 11 days without that nonsense.
The Bad:
-Packaging and labeling is a bad joke. I know specifics are taboo, but 0/none/nein/nicht/niet effort is made to disguise the contents of the envelope. It is clearly filled with loose blister packs and I have to assume the customs agent who cleared it was on your clonazepam or something and just didn't care.
The Ugly:
-Find a reputable, safe re-mailer. EMS shipping that absolutely requires a signature, is like handing some district attorney their case. You have to use your real name if you miss the truck and go pick it up because ID is required. The two week wait for genuine benzo's is worth it at your prices and all you need to do is bump up security/safety. The safety and well-being of your customers should be paramount.
Thanks-you for all your efforts to keep prices low, and quality high (ha). I won't order again from you until I can skip the signature, but once that happens, PV look out! ;)
This reflects my sentiments over all. Great communicator, great price, solid product, but HORRIBLE packaging. I mean, I couldn't even really get mad when part of my order was missing because of the way it was packaged, LOL.
He's a good vendor though, in the fact, he accepts constructive criticism. I shared my disappointments and concerns and he immediately went to rectify it. In effect, he understands the more air tight he runs his business, the more customers he will have, the more money he stands to make.
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No one likes to sign for anything but I don't know if I would call his packaging 'horrible'. Maybe just not very stealthy but the reality is that if it is opened it will be seized. But my letter was very non-descript and made it through one of the toughest customs service in the world so while it may not be the best packaging it still made it to me. If it can make it here it can make it anywhere.
I guess you are up against the statistics with Fred. If it is part of the 5% to 6% of mail that gets inspected you are shit out of luck but if there are bigger fish to fry on the day it goes through customs then you are probably in luck and it will get to you. Perhaps the most positive aspect is that it is just pharms that he sells (from memory) so even if it is seized you aren't going to jail over it!! Well not in my country at least.
The reality is that he is from India and there is no getting around that, well at least not without a shitload of hassle by using a proxy service in another country. So if like me his prices are so attractive that you have to order be prepared for a couple of weeks of stress but if it arrives take a couple of tablets and all will be forgiven. :)
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Hi,
I have only just seen this thread.
Yes lately a few people have expressed there concerns to us about our packaging so we are addressing the issue and we will be changing the packaging.
Only time will tell if its a good thing, i say this because we have 100% record into the US, Uk, Aus, New Z.
But when the the masses talk you have to listen :)
Regarding the signature I can understand why some people do not like it, but the reality is there is nothing we can do about it when shipping from India. I would not do it if I thought it was a problem but the fact is it works.
We are taking steps to get stock into the UK so we can offer no signature to all EU customers, we hope to have this sorted in the next 4-6 weeks.
best regards/
Fred
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Glad you took it a constructive way Fred. Personally, I it was good to do business with him, but the packaging could definitely see an improvement.
Anyways, hoping the second order comes through. Still waiting on a tracking number....
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Hi,
I have only just seen this thread.
Yes lately a few people have expressed there concerns to us about our packaging so we are addressing the issue and we will be changing the packaging.
Only time will tell if its a good thing, i say this because we have 100% record into the US, Uk, Aus, New Z.
But when the the masses talk you have to listen :)
Regarding the signature I can understand why some people do not like it, but the reality is there is nothing we can do about it when shipping from India. I would not do it if I thought it was a problem but the fact is it works.
We are taking steps to get stock into the UK so we can offer no signature to all EU customers, we hope to have this sorted in the next 4-6 weeks.
best regards/
Fred
So you just decided to kindly omit the part where you claim that only 50% of packages you send to Canada get there, that I would have to finalize early and agree to take all loss?
It's significantly easier to smuggle contraband into Canada then it is into the US (and I have no idea why people have been saying otherwise since they aren't even Canadians) and I don't even know if I can trust you now to finalize early having just read that post of yours. I don't believe it one sec, you don't get 100% success to US, Uk, Aus, New Z. and 50% to Canada !!! You listed 100% to Australia !!!!!!!!!! and claim 50% to Canada ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
PS: I will gladly modify (remove the text) of this post if you wish to discuss this in private fredthebaker. I am just pissed more then you know that I can barely get anything off SR over months of being a loyal buyer and that EVERY time I buy something, I HAVE to finalize early (cuz i'm 'international') and in this case supposedly take COMPLETE responsibility here? I'll again re-iterate that Canadian customs is one of the easier borders to circumvent (they invest most of their resources into searching for packages being shipped up north in Canada because there is a MASSIVE alcoholism problem within the native community and the only way they can get it is to have alcohol illegally shipped to them). Most Canadian's don't live up North, and our customs are DEFINITELY easier to circumvent then Australia, so 100% to AUS, 50% to CAD .... uh, no.
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Hey guys. Of the ppl that have signed for fred's shit, was it your normal postal worker that brought it to the door?
Thanks
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Was going to order, but the signature requirement is a deal breaker.
Everyone on this site knows not to sign for things, then this guy comes along and starts to make people sign for shit.
No thanks, I like my freedom.
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Signing for EMS is just how it is. Good thing about EMS too is you get tracking and once you see that it got pass customs you should be golden. If its just benzos I wouldnt think too much of it.
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Hi,
I have only just seen this thread.
Yes lately a few people have expressed there concerns to us about our packaging so we are addressing the issue and we will be changing the packaging.
Only time will tell if its a good thing, i say this because we have 100% record into the US, Uk, Aus, New Z.
But when the the masses talk you have to listen :)
Regarding the signature I can understand why some people do not like it, but the reality is there is nothing we can do about it when shipping from India. I would not do it if I thought it was a problem but the fact is it works.
We are taking steps to get stock into the UK so we can offer no signature to all EU customers, we hope to have this sorted in the next 4-6 weeks.
best regards/
Fred
So you just decided to kindly omit the part where you claim that only 50% of packages you send to Canada get there, that I would have to finalize early and agree to take all loss?
It's significantly easier to smuggle contraband into Canada then it is into the US (and I have no idea why people have been saying otherwise since they aren't even Canadians) and I don't even know if I can trust you now to finalize early having just read that post of yours. I don't believe it one sec, you don't get 100% success to US, Uk, Aus, New Z. and 50% to Canada !!! You listed 100% to Australia !!!!!!!!!! and claim 50% to Canada ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
PS: I will gladly modify (remove the text) of this post if you wish to discuss this in private fredthebaker. I am just pissed more then you know that I can barely get anything off SR over months of being a loyal buyer and that EVERY time I buy something, I HAVE to finalize early (cuz i'm 'international') and in this case supposedly take COMPLETE responsibility here? I'll again re-iterate that Canadian customs is one of the easier borders to circumvent (they invest most of their resources into searching for packages being shipped up north in Canada because there is a MASSIVE alcoholism problem within the native community and the only way they can get it is to have alcohol illegally shipped to them). Most Canadian's don't live up North, and our customs are DEFINITELY easier to circumvent then Australia, so 100% to AUS, 50% to CAD .... uh, no.
Hi,
quinone.
If you see our listings from India we clearly state that we only ship to the US and UK
The reason we state this is because we have 100% record into both countries and we are happy to offer a full refund or reship free of charge.
We cannot offer this into every country as we would work at a loss and we are not in this business to lose money :)
People have messaged us and requested shipping to other countries, eg. Canada, Aus, New Z, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway.
We have offered them the same deal that we offered you, some arrived and some have not.
You can think what you want about your customs but from our experience we believe that your customs are not easy, so we will stick by our own rules.
Our feedback shows what we do works.
best regards/
Fred
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Hi,
I have only just seen this thread.
Yes lately a few people have expressed there concerns to us about our packaging so we are addressing the issue and we will be changing the packaging.
Only time will tell if its a good thing, i say this because we have 100% record into the US, Uk, Aus, New Z.
But when the the masses talk you have to listen :)
Regarding the signature I can understand why some people do not like it, but the reality is there is nothing we can do about it when shipping from India. I would not do it if I thought it was a problem but the fact is it works.
We are taking steps to get stock into the UK so we can offer no signature to all EU customers, we hope to have this sorted in the next 4-6 weeks.
best regards/
Fred
So you just decided to kindly omit the part where you claim that only 50% of packages you send to Canada get there, that I would have to finalize early and agree to take all loss?
It's significantly easier to smuggle contraband into Canada then it is into the US (and I have no idea why people have been saying otherwise since they aren't even Canadians) and I don't even know if I can trust you now to finalize early having just read that post of yours. I don't believe it one sec, you don't get 100% success to US, Uk, Aus, New Z. and 50% to Canada !!! You listed 100% to Australia !!!!!!!!!! and claim 50% to Canada ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
PS: I will gladly modify (remove the text) of this post if you wish to discuss this in private fredthebaker. I am just pissed more then you know that I can barely get anything off SR over months of being a loyal buyer and that EVERY time I buy something, I HAVE to finalize early (cuz i'm 'international') and in this case supposedly take COMPLETE responsibility here? I'll again re-iterate that Canadian customs is one of the easier borders to circumvent (they invest most of their resources into searching for packages being shipped up north in Canada because there is a MASSIVE alcoholism problem within the native community and the only way they can get it is to have alcohol illegally shipped to them). Most Canadian's don't live up North, and our customs are DEFINITELY easier to circumvent then Australia, so 100% to AUS, 50% to CAD .... uh, no.
Hi,
quinone.
If you see our listings from India we clearly state that we only ship to the US and UK
The reason we state this is because we have 100% record into both countries and we are happy to offer a full refund or reship free of charge.
We cannot offer this into every country as we would work at a loss and we are not in this business to lose money :)
People have messaged us and requested shipping to other countries, eg. Canada, Aus, New Z, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway.
We have offered them the same deal that we offered you, some arrived and some have not.
You can think what you want about your customs but from our experience we believe that your customs are not easy, so we will stick by our own rules.
Our feedback shows what we do works.
best regards/
Fred
Thank you for responding, and know i'm not trying to smear you or anything.
It is easier to ship contraband across the Canadian border then the US border, much easier and i'm not sure why you or anybody for that matter would think otherwise. It's a socialist nation with much less interest in seizing drugs and/or enforcing most small drug possession infractions (unlike the USA) and has a FRACTION of a FRACTION of the resources to search for contraband in incoming mail. Add to that that a majority of Canadian customs resources are allotted to northern regions (Yukon, NWT, etc.) because of huge alcoholism problems with Inuit smuggling alcohol via the mail.
From everything i've read, you package your product in plain sight which if opened would be seen immediately. Perhaps (and hopefully) you've fixed your packaging problems (cuz the forum posts I found describe your packaging as terrible) and this '50% loss rate' to Canada was during this period in which you shipped pills in plain sight in the package? There's no way you've had 100% success to the USA and 50% success to Canada ... when you've appropriately packaged them.
The crux of it is that i'm a buyer with nearly 25 ALL received and positive transactions as i'm sure you've seen on my SR profile on which I initially messaged you about this, and you have the audacity to ask me to take ALL responsibility? My buyer stat's should be more then enough that is necessary to prove that packages all successfully arrive to me and yet I (and other Canadians i'm sure) are subjected to at the very least early finalize, and at the very worst in your case you want me to early finalize and then take 100% loss if it doesn't arrive.
It's difficult enough to even find products on the SR just because i'm Canadian already, but feeling you're being extorted by a vendor makes it even more challenging to conduct business on SR. My buyer stat's should be the matter of importance when you or any vendor is considering the risk to ship to me (as there are many other buyer <-> vendor matters which influence the risk of success).
Being extorted like this is insulting and can any vendor please tell me what more I need to do to prove i'm a reliable buyer so that I can get access to more then the approximately 5% of the merchandise on SR that i'm currently limited to when my buyer profile speaks for itself ?
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Hey quinone,
If you are SO disgusted by Fred's practices it's probably worth looking for another yendor.
There are so many Canadian vendors on this site there is not a lot of need for you to go OS unless it's for a very rare substance. I wish we had as many local vendors in my country.
And don't take the 'percentages of success' to certain countries as that much of a deciding factor because no-one knows exactly how many sales those percentages represent. Could be a single package or it could be hundreds?
I really just wanted to let you know that when I ordered from him I also had to finalize early (not being in the UK/USA) but after a bit of back and forth with Fred I decided to take the risk. Luckily it turned out okay for me.
Personally, I would like to see the ESCROW system as mandatory but alas it's not so sometimes we have to take a bit of a risk.
You sound really fired up over this so perhaps pop a valium or two and start browsing for a local vendor. :)
Or maybe make a small order (~$20) with Fred and see what happens. Fred may even be able to make up a small custom order for you?
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Hey quinone,
If you are SO disgusted by Fred's practices it's probably worth looking for another yendor.
There are so many Canadian vendors on this site there is not a lot of need for you to go OS unless it's for a very rare substance. I wish we had as many local vendors in my country.
And don't take the 'percentages of success' to certain countries as that much of a deciding factor because no-one knows exactly how many sales those percentages represent. Could be a single package or it could be hundreds?
I really just wanted to let you know that when I ordered from him I also had to finalize early (not being in the UK/USA) but after a bit of back and forth with Fred I decided to take the risk. Luckily it turned out okay for me.
Personally, I would like to see the ESCROW system as mandatory but alas it's not so sometimes we have to take a bit of a risk.
You sound really fired up over this so perhaps pop a valium or two and start browsing for a local vendor. :)
Or maybe make a small order (~$20) with Fred and see what happens. Fred may even be able to make up a small custom order for you?
I'm not disgusted by him, I just don't like being told weird lies like "50% fail to reach Canada" (I agree and wouldn't use this as any measure of quality vendor, but to claim that HALF of shipments to one country fail to reach it yet ALL of shipments to another do reach it is asinine).
I only buy benzos and only know of one vendor who will ship to Canada who only has alprazolam and not at a very good price (obviously none of this was a prob when PV shipped internationally :) ).
I've had to finalize early on almost every order i've ever made, i'm used to that heh. He told me that to ship to me I must take 100% responsibility for loss which is insulting, esp. when he as well as most vendors by standard will offer a 50% reship if an order is lost and like I stated, I have proven through my buyer stat's that i'm a reliable buyer and should not be singled out or forced to take 100% responsibility.
I would love to drop this matter altogether if I could find a 2mg Clonazepam vendor who ships international at $2ish each but have found no such vendor on SR except for fred, and he has seemingly made it clear to me that there is simply no room for discussion (he doesn't respond on SR and i'm not gonna harass him with msgs).
I am most definitely fired up over this, but not simply about fred, but just about vendors in general. I really don't understand why almost all of them won't ship to Canada, it's like there's some hate on for Canada from US vendors or something lol. As I explained in the other post the risk of seizure crossing the Canadian border vs. the USA border is significantly less. It makes perfect sense for a vendor with a large base of domestic clients to only ship domestic (eg. PV), but most of the vendors of benzos here don't have large inventories or client bases and will ship to other countries, just not Canada.
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I've traveled to the border before, from the the US side, to try crossing the border into Canada. No problem on the US side. Canadian border tore my car to shit. Literally took every item out of my car and through it on the ground (breaking my guitar I might add). I asked around after the incident to find out WTF was up. The consensus was that the Canadian border patrols were picking up tactics from the US patrols, in some cases getting a little more rambunctious.
IDK if this would include customs, or if it means anything. This is just my experience.
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Hi quinone,
We have sent 4 packages to Canada, 2 have got through, 2 have not........... 50%
We do not lie, so you can believe me or not.
The problem lies with the items being sent from India, im sure packages from other countries get past fine.
regards/
Fred
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No one likes to sign for anything but I don't know if I would call his packaging 'horrible'. Maybe just not very stealthy but the reality is that if it is opened it will be seized. But my letter was very non-descript and made it through one of the toughest customs service in the world so while it may not be the best packaging it still made it to me. If it can make it here it can make it anywhere.
I guess you are up against the statistics with Fred. If it is part of the 5% to 6% of mail that gets inspected you are shit out of luck but if there are bigger fish to fry on the day it goes through customs then you are probably in luck and it will get to you. Perhaps the most positive aspect is that it is just pharms that he sells (from memory) so even if it is seized you aren't going to jail over it!! Well not in my country at least.
The reality is that he is from India and there is no getting around that, well at least not without a shitload of hassle by using a proxy service in another country. So if like me his prices are so attractive that you have to order be prepared for a couple of weeks of stress but if it arrives take a couple of tablets and all will be forgiven. :)
This business has a small margin for error. "Horrible", for me, means what I ordered I did not get.
I got MY package. It WAS opened and it WASN'T seized.
So, your conclusion on seizures is incorrect.
However, I look at my vendors as business partners. We are both trying to make money, at least in my case, and we discuss packaging because that is the most important link to making as much money as discretely as possible.
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Hi quinone,
We have sent 4 packages to Canada, 2 have got through, 2 have not........... 50%
We do not lie, so you can believe me or not.
The problem lies with the items being sent from India, im sure packages from other countries get past fine.
regards/
Fred
I shouldn't have called your statement a lie with no proof that it or isn't and apologize for that.
I assumed you had done many more then 4 transactions in Canada. I hope you can see my side of the frustration here too :(
I'm curious to know why shipping packages from India is any different then most other countries though.
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I'm in Canada.
So I guess I'm one of the lucky 50%.
Quinone: US customs held my package for 4 days clearing it. I had no problem pre-finalizing because the total amount of the purchase was not that big (60 bux maybe?). I could see a problem taking a total bath on a much larger order, but my advice in this case, is buy several small lots at a time, you wont get the price break, but If even half of them come in, you are ahead of the game.
Besides, It wasn't the PF that made me squirm, it was the signature.
CC
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I got MY package. It WAS opened and it WASN'T seized.
So, your conclusion on seizures is incorrect.
However, I look at my vendors as business partners. We are both trying to make money, at least in my case, and we discuss packaging because that is the most important link to making as much money as discretely as possible.
Perhaps I should have qualified that by saying if the package was opened by MY country's customs it would be seized. I don't know where you are from so I guess I made too much of a generalisation. Sorry.
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I got MY package. It WAS opened and it WASN'T seized.
So, your conclusion on seizures is incorrect.
However, I look at my vendors as business partners. We are both trying to make money, at least in my case, and we discuss packaging because that is the most important link to making as much money as discretely as possible.
Perhaps I should have qualified that by saying if the package was opened by MY country's customs it would be seized. I don't know where you are from so I guess I made too much of a generalisation. Sorry.
Understood. I am U.S. based, by the way.
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Ordered some stuff from Fred too a while to send off which is understandable.
The disconcerting part is that the tracking number I was given does not show up anywhere 5 days later.
Anyone else have such issues?
Cheers